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Water Consumption - The Big Picture

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Postby kevinsatterfield » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:33 pm

here is a closed loop patent # that may be worth reading..I just found it looking for something else... 5711770
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Postby Orange_Crusader » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:15 am

How did this reach 3 pages? Basic grade 6-10 science, at most. Wow.

Water cycle, goes to atmosphere and back down, it's not used up in combustion.

Conservation of mass and energy, only same amount put in to split the water can be gained in burning it, minus heat, sound and light losses.

We don't lose anything except energy (in ways we don't use, such as heat and light) in splitting it or burning it. The world can't run out of water from something that uses up none of it in the end. I'd say we humans use up a lot of it ourselves, really.

Yes, it's a closed loop system, or could be if we had hydroxy generation in the car itself, and the losses would still count, but it would be the same amount of water circulating, always.

Going into engineering for alternate fuels/power systems, I think I know a bit of it.
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Postby spencyg » Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:48 pm

Well...if you look at it that way, everything biological is a closed loop system. Humans drink, exert energy in the form of heat and work, and expel the moisture we intake in the form of urine and moisture from our exhaling. At the end, we die, and dry up, and the moisture goes back into the system. So why are we worried about the global supply of water in 50 years when the population doubles again? Because its not that simple. Thats why this thread has gone for 3 pages.

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Postby chemelec » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:28 pm

We Won't run out of water, But we are running out of CLEAN WATER.

And Cleaning water is an Inefficient process that also just Polutes the earth Elsewhere.
Where do you Put all these Dangerous Contaments?

In some places there removing the Salt from the oceans to get clean drinking water, but that results in higher Salt content back into the oceans or Elsewhere. Fish Can't live in Higher Salt content and Vegitation Dies with high salt in the soil.

However, The Greatest Polution of all is "Too Many People" in a world that can't support them, especially with todays life styles. Mostly made in China.
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Postby spinning-magnets » Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:39 pm

Funny you should mention too many people being "made in China". India and China have just surpassed The US as the biggest producers of green-house gasses of all types.

"Acid rain" caused the US and Canada to pass laws requiring coal-electric plants to treat their exhaust. The population has almost doubled since the 1960's, but even Al Gore isn't complaining about acid rain any more.

A while back India had a program that provided free vasectomies after the first child if you wanted (you could even have a couple more, before you got clipped) People who were so poverty stricken that they were born in the gutter, lived and died in the gutter as illiterate beggars, continued having as many children as they could produce.

They believe in reincarnation, and while they are alive, they know that half their children will die before them. "If they had only one child, who would provide for them when they were old"? (they asked) Economic corruption and a lingering two-class system that actively prevents a middle class developing keeps 90% of them illiterate and poverty stricken, to the benefit of the 10% of the elites.

China is just the wild west. The communists have discovered capitalism without limits like the US in the 1800's. Their "one child per family" policy meant that female fetuses discovered by amniocenticis are aborted so the first child is male. Subsequent children are born in the country "on vacation" away from government eyes. Too many kids, and males outnumber females 2:1

Whats this got to do with water? China/India are still producing babies at a ridiculous rate, they are burning oil/coal as fast as they can, and they are polluting the air/water the same way a drunk sailor spends money (a subject about which I have personal experience).

I'm glad our new cars burn gasoline much cleaner, and we arrest company executives that dump chemical waste into the water table. But saying the USA is the problem in the world today is like telling a really fat person they can lose weight by getting a haircut and clipping their fingernails.

If we all here in the US start driving electric cars tomorrow, India, China, and Russia will buy every damn barrel of oil the Saudis (and Iran) pump, and they will burn it as fast as they can.

We need vehicles for the separation of work. Food is grown on farms, people live in cities. This will continue even with mass transportation (busses).

What the US can do (but won't) is seriously subsidize research for a dozen different alternative vehicle options. They can use the Post Office and the Military. If a military/post office jeep can double its range by adding water to a hydroxy cell, wouldnt that be good? but water can't be taxed. Diesels can use vegetable oil, look for the government to squash that instead of encouraging it. Ethanol (Moonshine) is strictly controlled by the feds, but its just too easy to make in your backyard. (PS Biodiesel and ethanol engines can double their mileage with a hydroxy cell, wanna go to prison?)

Clean water is going to get expensive, get used to the idea. But long before the rising salinity of the ocean begins causing problems, the fecal extrusions will have already hit the spinning air distribution device, and the byproduct will not be evenly distributed.

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Postby chemelec » Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:13 pm

Not Really on Topic, but I thought I would throw it in.

What I get a kick out of is Transportation Vancouver, British Columbia. Probably the Same as MANY other Big Cities in North America.

The Officals Complain people Don't use Public Transportation Enough.

But they Continue to RAISE Fares.
Actually in Vancouver, It costs More for public transportation than to drive your car.

Simple Solution, Make Commuter Buses and Trains FREE.
Put all those Costs onto Everyones Income tax.

I realize this is Not fare to some people who need to travel all day long.
Maybe needs some Exceptions fot Travelling Sales persons, Truck Drivers and a few others.

But the average person that just goes to and from work would probably get out of his or her car and use it. Of course they would need to Substantially Increase the numbers of Buses and Trains.
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Postby superscience » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:22 am

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