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OUPower.com • View topic - My new pulser/pulse-charger.

My new pulser/pulse-charger.

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Postby mael » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:02 am

I use astable multivibrators and relaxation oscillators so far, but I can use a 555 timer too - The next one will be a 555.

My pulses are from 1 PP/s to around50, but I've tried up to 5 K. My circuitry isn't exactly state-of-the-art, and I'm lacking an 'O' scope so I'm not confident about the shapes of the (important) leading-edges of my pulses, so I go for relays to drive the base/gate current/voltage.

I want to incorporate a schmitt trigger to one of my astable m/v as soon as I'm confident they'll work. Y'see I know the relays give me a near-perfect square wave, and this is the most important part of the process as far as I can see ... ie... a good whack, especially on the leading edge - I suppose the trailing edge could be a slope providing it approaches zero before the next pulse.

The transformers I use now are arbitrarily 'large.' I have a small bench-top type welding transformer on one pulser with the 90 A transistor array and I can see I'll never have to worry about it cooking, and it delivers whatever current I want. (The small ones will work, but it takes more time). On a 12 V battery I have found that the higher the voltage the better. The pulser with the lowest V in the pulses would read around 18.

The transformers I use these days charge the cap bank to at least 30 V, and one will go up to a shade over 50 V. (Things get a bit tense with the high voltage for me). Sometimes I think the pulses from a large T through a/c transistor blocks could be used to start a nuclear reaction - I mean it's a heck of a whack which will melt the terminals if the clips aren't tight - Visions of escaping gas being ignited by poorly clamped clips are something never far from my thoughts. (Did I just wake-up ECHELON)? :twisted: :lol:

And as I'm not very familiar with electronics, but learning it by experiment and from the internet I tend to make my circuits in blocks with their own power supplies and potentionmeters in-between to get things running without overloading them.

It's a bit primitive, but it is simple to understand from a glance if something is wrong, and it affords me a clear view of what each bit is doing so if anything unexpected occurs I can usually easily find where it requires attention.

ie. The pulser I've just finished has three transformers. one is to charge the caps, another to power the m/v, with another leg off regulating the V to the relay, and the third T is dedicated to the base/gate supply. I think I could do it with only two transformers by doing away with the T for the base V. I just did it that way because I'm always worried about keeping the base/gate V as stable and controllable as possible. I'll dispense with it as soon as I am confident. (Getting itchy fingers these days).

But I like to keep the caps on one T. I don't think I'll try to run everything on one large transformer owing to the widely varying V from the pulses, and using an IC voltage regulator near its rated maximum is a recipe for disaster. (I like things cool).

* Actually RR I sent you an email but never got a reply. If you can help then say what you want on these threads of mine. I started here on batteries a bit over a year ago and at that time I was so ignorant I was sticking metal screwdrivers through the plates wondering what they did! :oops: I also tried simply adjusting the acid so it appeared to be good. I've learnt quite a lot since then.

From my own experiments and from researching on the 'net, and from listening to various people here, I have now found a reliable way to desulphate batteries of any size, and from the information I have collated it is possible for anyone with minimal parts and minimal experience to replicate what I have done.

I did this mostly because I want to help people to save money (Myself obviously included). And because a lot ot the information on the internet is confusing and often just plain wrong. So I've read a lot of what's out there and eventually found my own way of doing it. And it works!!!!!!!!!! I sifted through the chaff and got to the heart of the matter.

I'm not done yet. Now I can reliably desulphate a battery I will continue my experiments and observations.

So what is it that you want to add to the discussion RR?
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Postby mael » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:14 am

I omitted to add that store-bought desulphators which do not deliver enough Amps are going to be toys people will tire of quickly and buy a new battery instead.

I think that something with the required oomph is necessarily expensive, and the manufacturers in their infinite cheapness have flooded the market with junk. But that's not to say that they are all junk.

I defer my costs mostly by using parts from discarded pc boards turfed-out and at the back of electrical shops.

To be honest I have never used a store-bought pulser, but I've read many reviews about them. It seems they exaggerate the power in the pulses and though they may work (if they are a decent square-wave/pulse) they will take time 0- if the pulser is only drawing milliamps then it's going to take weeks or months.

I am keen to experiment on the possibilities of desulphating using amplified resonance one day soon. This is as against relying to the fleeting resonance from the pulses. I'll doubtless let you know how I get on.
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Postby redriderno22 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:33 am

Mael

still learning too!

work keeps me busy most of the time and i get very litte time to "play" anymore.

but anywho

ive just started to scavenge up parts for a BIG pulser

one that can handle a 225 AH battery

and "clean it" quickly, within a day or so i hope

with the additives ive come up with

and yes ive tried the EDTA and it does work for a short time

but it makes the plates weak, and you end up with a completely shorted battery!

but what im wondering is how you use 3 transformers? i mean i have an idea but???

the circut i use is the one seamonkey posted here a while ago

i use a small one to bring back all the little batts around the house
and the batteries for all my tools and it works well
but on the big golf cart batts it takes forever---months with little results

but the amperage is not that high.

well if you can send me another e- mail

so we can exchange pics and info and what not. 8)
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Postby mael » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:44 pm

Reading your post I have visions of putting three small car batteries on a try with a little charger keeping the total to fully charged and then using those to charge the caps and in turn pulsing that charge into a battery being desulphated.

That seems a very sensible and cheap idea. As not only will it desulphate the targeted battery, it'll also slowly desulphate the 36 V stack you are using for the current source.

A commonly recurring thought as I desulphate batteries is that the process works much faster when there is some charge added to the pulses.

the V sometimes goes above 16 V by the time I'm happy things are running satisfactorily with a battery. The cases may get to 5 C above the ambient.

I wonder if the pulsers with some impetus behind them are more effective because the resonating sulphate crystals are being vibrated for longer and hence the process of desulphating is speeded up because crystals are being more thoroughly destroyed by a heavy bombarment ratherthan chipped-away by one sharp pulse?

I've had two 150 A/h batts desulphated in parallel with a pulser delivering around a hundred amps and the job was done in a total of two weeks. But half of that time I was messing around with the settings and testing and I even had them off-charge and sitting a month between re-connecting it.

I'm sure anything over 50 A in a pulse with some oomph behind it will do your 225 A/h batts in days.

... But I reckon the job can be done in one day with the right gear. Resonance is what seems to enable the sulphate crystals to be destoyed by a bang, so there's something about that initial resonance-causing 'bang' that's the kety to getting the job done in perhaps hours - or maybe minutes? I'm going to be watching what happens and I'm sure there are secrets to be discovered. the lead/acid battery has no need to fear for its future from what I can see. I'm really confident those things will last decades or more when they are allocated and maintained correctly.

... And who knows what other avenues I'm going to be waltzing up with the pulsing? I can see all sorts of fun and games where I might well discover a way to get power without paying through the memter for it. 8) And doubtless I'll be letting you know.

What's the additives you use? I'd heard of using phosphoric acid and pycric acid in conjunction. the phosphoric acid is supposed to enable a near 100 % discharge and the pycric acid apparently made the plates stronger.

I haven't tried it though. It sounds frightfully dangerous. Neither do I use EDTA any more - but I'm considering eating some to allay my fears I've inadvertantly ingested more lead than my body can cope with. 8)

All I add is plain water these days.

I have wondered what other additives I may try. Deuterium makes a light shine 'up there' so I may try that. actually I'd need to have quite a lot of D20 before I'd try it in batteries as I want to try using it on myself - both internally and externally. I hear it can be described in some ways as an 'elexir to immortality,' and though I'd be bored after a few thousand years I would like to remain healthy and able to persue my interests up till the day I go too far.............. 8) :lol: :D :lol: 8)
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Postby mael » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:44 pm

Ahem!

'putting three small batteries on a TRAY.....'
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Postby mael » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:47 pm

... and a few more typos... sorry, sorry...
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Postby redriderno22 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:02 pm

dont worry about the typos
I can barely read lol.....

as far as additives

i do not add any acids

no cadmium sulphate

a very small amount of epsom salt, and i mean a tiny bit

some 2h2o2 and a type of sugar yes sugar but not sugar :roll:

finally i top off the electrolyte with a very heavy synthetic oil

it keeps all the good stuff in the batt, and i keeps them from getting dirty
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