Car running on H2 from on-board electrolyzer

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Bob

For the past month I have been researching the possibility of using water as fuel.
I have ordered several CD's, downloaded and studied several patents and designs including those of
Stan Meyer, Archie Blue etc.etc.

Just when I was getting very excited I came across the following information which can be found on the
web-page

http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/september2006.html

which address the following questions:

Can you run a car on hydrogen alone from an on-board electrolyzer?
Can you run two or three electrolyzers to run the car on hydrogen alone?
Can you run a car on water?

Here is an answer to another email by another prospective customer concerning the recent video that aired on CNN and Fox News:



The video is deceiving. It said that the car engine could be run completely on Brown's gas, which is true if the gas is produced by a huge electrolyzer pluged into the wall, but the gas cannot be is stored in a pressurized container and taken in the car. And the car cannot be run on the gas being made on the fly in the car. Of course they don't say that because they want you to
believe their electrolyzer is some miraculous invention, which it is not. If they told the whole truth people would understand that its just an electrolyzer like all the others, and they wouldn't be getting all the attention. Just like a couple years ago when Xogen was getting wide spread attention when they claimed they were producing over-unity quantities of gas with their pulsing electronic controller. That too proved in the end to be false interpretation of their simple electrolyzer. In fact they had the same efficiency as normal steady DC electrolysis. Same thing goes for Kline. In fact I am so unimpressed with Kline's patent, I am surprised it was issued. Patents are supposed to be for "NEW" ideas. His patent drawings look almost like carbon copies of the previously published and marketed Hyzor technology electrolyzer plans from George Wiseman of Eagle Research. I doubt Kline's patent would ever stand up in court if someone copied his design and pointed
out the Hyzor plans to the judge.



Will pulsed DC current produce more gas than steady DC current?

I have seen many claims of over-unity gas production by people using pulsing DC but so far they have all proven to be misunderstandings of unity gas production. Until someone can show over-unity gas production I am not interested in wasting any more of my time chasing after a golden goose.

Xogen claimed over unity, they were only 75% efficient.

George Wiseman claimed over-unity.

Stanley Meyer claimed over-unity, which got all this hoopla about pulsing started, but at least Meyer's claim was supposedly with high voltage.

The video I watched of Stanley Meyer’s great pulsed DC electrolysis demonstration showed no great amount of gas production. Sure it fogged the water up with tiny bubbles but that's not a lot of gas production. Same thing goes for the Xogen video. You can tell by watching the top of the water level. If it doesn't expand by a large amount, all the fogged water doesn't amount to a lot of gas. Show me a gas production of two liters per minute in a one liter container and I'll show you an overflowing container unless it was only half full to start with. Kind of like a shaken soda bottle when it is opened. Don't be fooled by videos and claims. To make lots of hydrogen out of water, you still have to get it out of the water and that is still the process of bubbles coming to the top and popping. No hydrogen generator does that faster than ours in a smaller space that ours with less electrical power than ours.

As far as running a car on hydrogen from an on-board electrolyzer let us do some calculations: A proper air to fuel mixture by volume for hydrogen combustion would be about 3:1. That means that ¼ of the space in the cylinder must be hydrogen and ¾ must be air. Taking a 4 liter 4 stroke engine at 1000 RPM you would have 2000 liters per minute going through the engine. At 4000 RPM you would have 8000 liters going through the engine and 2000 liters of that would be hydrogen. So to run the car you’d need a hydrogen production rate of about 2000 liters per minute. There are about 36 liters in one cubic feet of space. If you divide 36 into 2000 you would have to have about 56 cubit feet of space inside a properly designed electrolyzer in order to supply enough hydrogen to run the car. That’s if you had the energy on board to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. Actually you’d have to have 84 cubic feet because the oxygen gas would have to come out of the water as well as the hydrogen. So if you could properly design an electrolyzer the size of the entire back seat and storage area of an SUV, you might be able to get the gases out of the water without sucking water into the engine. But then there is the problem of the energy required to electrolyze the water, but I guess some people seem to think that pulsing the electrical power will do that miracle. So a general rule of thumb would be the statement I typically say to most people who ask this question. “To run the car on hydrogen produced by an on-board electrolyzer, the electrolyzer would have to be bigger than the car.â€

[Bob Boyce]

Stuff like that is always good for a laugh. It just goes to show that they know not of what they speak. Just because they are ignorant to the breakthroughs that have been made by many, does not mean everyone else is. I've seen many fail with pulsing, simply because they are doing it wrong. I gave up long ago trying to convince those kind of folk. As long as they hold on dearly to the established "laws" and "rules", they will continue to fail. Not only can they not see the forest through the trees, but they don't even really know what trees are. They look at the world around them with flawed preconceptions that prevent them from understanding the true nature of energy/spirit/matter.

Bob

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Bob

Note that the above was not my words, but quotations from the links I listed. I am not skeptical, only confused!
I am a newbie and trust your professional opinion.
Are you saying that the cell designs on this forum solves those issues, in other words, the cells produce enough H2 on demand to run a car?

Wouter

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Thus what I am asking is:
Does the cell designs on this forum generate enough H2 on demand so that one can power you car on this alone (i.e. no other fuel necessary), or are the cells intended to be used as add-ons to improve your fuel consumption?

Wouter

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