Water Consumption - The Big Picture

[kd7twf]

[AlaskaStar]

OK, so you took a Chemistry Class. I don't have to worry abou that, because "I HAVE NO CLASS!" HAHA. But seriously, everything has yet to ever achieve 100% efficiency. this being said, even if water was to be the next "Black Gold" what you add to one place must be taken from someplace, then you are into the Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

So what is a person to do?

we cannot have 100% efficient, and we can't get a closed loop, then what?

well, what about having only 5% INTERNAL ENERGY LOSSES of any given energy system, and 95% actual transfer of energy to the workload. currently, this is reversed, to represent about 95% Internal Losses, and 5% transfer of energy to where the rubber and asphalt combine to make the world rotate.

better to increase the efficiency and decrease internal losses, than to try to make more fuel to feed an energy hungry, wasteful, piece of S###, because more fuel will NOT cure any problems.

AlaskaStar

[AlaskaStar]

Correction: More fuel will not solve the problem is:

SAME AS: Trying to extinguish a fire with Gasoline. takes a LOT of gasoline to achieve this, as you must COMPLETELY CHOKE OFF 100% of the OXYGEN.

AlaskaStar

[kd7twf]

[AlaskaStar]

[MarkinAustralia]

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[kd7twf]

[savage1r]

[panthony]

[superscience]

[chemelec]

[weggl]

[spinning-magnets]

If I understand the concern correctly, You want to ponder if society ends up using wind generators in everyones backyard (I know its a stretch, but stay with me) and we use the Hydrogen to burn in a piston engine, or feed a fuel cell, will the resultant gasses ever re-combine as water somewhere in the earths cycle, or remain as C02, NOX, (ionized I-thought-it-couldnt-existium, etc),

(A similar question: if all future piston cars replaced half their fuel with a hydroxy cell, would the worlds water supply dry up over the next thousand years?)

I'm no chemist (nor do I play one on TV), but I believe one of the reasons H2 and O2 are found so often in the form of water is because they like it that way. When Zinc is put in hydrochloric acid, the chlorine sheds its H2 and bonds with the zinc, because it prefers it that way. Enormous masses of air and water at play here, constantly seeking its preferred balance 24/7.

I could be wrong, but I believe as long as theres a lot of circulation any "leftover uncondensed back into water" byproduct gasses will eventually end up as water one way or the other.

I was told in the late 1960's that the biggest problem with car exhaust pollution was carbon Monoxide (CO), but later, I was also told that Mount St Helens (American made!!) belched more CO in one week than was produced by all the cars in the history of the world. This is not even counting Vesuvius, Pintaubo, and Krakatoa!...

Now they tell me it's CO2, (isn't that what plants breathe, resulting in oxygen?) Lumber companies plant three trees for every one they cut down. Dont most environmental protesters live in houses/apartments built with 2X4's and plywood, on land stolen from the Indians, driving gasoline burning cars to the protest rally, and use compact flourescent bulbs made in a Chinese factory that gets its electricity from a coal-burning plant with no exhaust filters?. So who's the real environmentalists?.

(I'm not going to ask if you live in a tent, and ride a bicycle to work, or support the methane-belching cow industry by eating meat and wearing leather, or are a vegetarian who only eats food grown on a farm that plows with horses and only fertilizes with manure instead of chemicals. That would just be...well, rude).

I apologize if I sound a little sarcastic (thats just the voices in my head,...making me DO things) You've asked a sincere and interesting question. The evil coal-burning plant that generates steam electricity in Page (Arizona) captures all the carbon soot in its exhaust (its not hard, look at the clear plastic "turbo" vacuum cleaners) and sells the resultant "fly ash" as a concrete enhancer. They can't make the stuff fast enough. The steam exhausting from the turbines re-condenses in the atmosphere and returns to the water cycle. When coal gets expensive, they will be phasing in solar concentrators that heat helium in pipes to boil the water, (and it may also heat underground stores of glaubers salt for night-time generation). They're working out the details for a pilot mule to help with peak A/C demand.

Because increasing populations are putting demands on the snow-melt-supplied rivers, water will just have to become more expensive, so we'll just have to plant less grass (and try to convince India and China to stop making so many of those damn water-drinking "babies").

More cities are building solar sea-water distillers for drinking water. If a small portion of the burned Hydroxy exhaust NEVER re-combines into water, I believe the ocean is big enough that the mullahs in Nutcase-istan will nuke everyone LONG before water availability is a problem.

(I apologize again to any I may have offended, and I acknowlege that the hypocracies I prefer are merely "different" than your preferred hypocracies, and they are not, by definition, "better") -Ron

"You never really know someone...until you see them in court"

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