High voltage electrolysis

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[waterbard]

According to wikipedia:

The electric current disassociates water molecule into hydroxide (OH-, and hydrogen H+, ions.

In the electrolytic cell, at the cathode, hydrogen ions accept electrons in a reduction reaction that forms hydrogen gas:

Cathode (reduction): 2H2O(l) + 2e- => H2(g) + 2OH-(aq)

At the anode, hydroxide ions undergo an oxidation reaction and give up electrons to the anode to complete the circuit and form water and oxygen gas:

Anode (oxidation): H2O(l) => O2(g) + 4H+(aq) + 4e-

hence decomposing water into Oxygen and Hydrogen;

Overall reaction: 2H2O(l) => 2H2(g) + O2(g)

AND:

As pure water conducts electricity very poorly, a water-soluble electrolyte must be added to the electrolysis cell to close the circuit. The electrolyte dissolves and disassociates into cations and anions (positive and negative ions) that carry the current. Electrolytes are normally acids, bases, or salts.

Care must be taken in choosing an electrolyte, since an anion from the electrolyte is in competition with the hydroxide ions to give up an electron. An electrolyte anion with less standard electrode potential than hydroxide will be oxidized instead of the hydroxide, and no oxygen gas will be produced. A cation with a greater standard electrode potential than a hydrogen ion will be reduced in its stead, and no hydrogen gas will be produced.

The chemistry of electrolysis isn't as simple as oxygen and hydrogen. There are different states of matter. During electrolysis, you have hydrogen, oxygen, both in gas molecule form, and hydroxyl, which is aqueous. You also have hydrogen ions that are in an aqueous state as well. Your pH is going to fluctuate.

Btw, high voltage does not produce heat waste when pulsed properly. High current has a higher probability for heat.

[kevinsatterfield]

Thats some nice info....so wat is it that we can actually see travelling to the cathode and anode? Is it ions or molecules?Every time i think i understand something im still not clear on most of it....lol Im try'n to start on a fresh look at it all and try to understand wat everything is doing so i may get an idea of wat im try'n to do with this Herman replication.The HV and magnetics are a stumble block im have ;n a really hard time finding detailed information about. For instance i found this patent(will post it in a minute..soon as i find it again)that says he also can use an electromagnet to turn his electrodes into magnets.I have looked to no end on information with at least a picture of it and havent had any luk.Pictures say a thousand words and cant seem to get a clue.Ive tried several diffrent ways and havent found the rite way to do it.I have some new tests to do but till i can find some detailed information im reluctant to go thru it all again.Im like'n the idea of knowing wat the water is doing from the start.

[waterbard]

I haven't studied up on the herman cell, but it sounds like something that I am working on. You have to consider that perhaps ions may respond to a magnetic field, as well as the polarity of the cathode and anode.

[kevinsatterfield]

yes and wat a ride thats been.I have great confidence in Niles ability to accomplish some really complicated tasks.Im feeling very confindent that he got the magnetics rite tonight.One more little thing and we're off to the races.It seems as if the magnetics have greater abilty to pull the ions rather than to push them.