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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2007-08-28T02:28:35-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/feed.php?f=9&t=691 2007-08-28T02:28:35-04:00 2007-08-28T02:28:35-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=15108#p15108 <![CDATA[You're making good progress!]]> Statistics: Posted by SeaMonkey — Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:28 am


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2007-08-24T15:01:05-04:00 2007-08-24T15:01:05-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=15026#p15026 <![CDATA[Re: Pulse-Charging batteries]]> Statistics: Posted by mael — Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:01 pm


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2007-08-21T00:17:33-04:00 2007-08-21T00:17:33-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=14932#p14932 <![CDATA[Pulse-Charging batteries]]>
I hope you're still putting your wonderful curiosity and creativity to useful purposes!

Lead-Acid batteries are truly amazing devices that respond very well to rejuvenating, particularly by the "pulse-discharge" charging method described by Bob earlier.

The crowd of "desulfators" is a growing community with much information available at various locations on the web and several forums for exchange of experiences and ideas.

The type of circuit used is largely a matter of personal preference and is responsive to extensive modification and experimentation.

Many start by building their first circuit around the 555 timer chip and that does indeed work well. I prefer the simpler CMOS pulse generator circuit which uses either the CD4001 or CD4011 chip as I find it to be more tolerant of overvoltage, up to about 18 volts at the input, and somewhat simpler with fewer parts.

The MOSFet switching device used can be one of the many with appropriate voltage and current characteristics and is certainly not critical. In a pinch even a bipolar transistor can be used provided the circuit is able to provide sufficient base drive.

I use the IRF540 variety as they are very inexpensive and have a suitable voltage rating and a decent Rds ON.

I've had good success in restoring old lead acid cells that had been sitting in a state of non-use for at least five years. A heavily sulfated cell will generally show a "charge voltage" of up to 12 volts or more when the process first begins; this will very gradually decrease to around 1 volt per cell and then slowly increase to a normal cell voltage of about 2.4V indicating that the process has finished for the "first run."

This means that when desulfating a 12 volt battery the initial voltage measured across the battery in the beginning will be very high - 30 to 50 volts is not unusual. This will gradually decrease as the desulfation progresses and will dip to lower than normal, 10 volts or less, for a time before it begins to increase to normal full charge voltage around 14 volts.

Test discharges followed by additional pulsing charge cycles will improve the condition of the battery and its ability to hold useful charge.

It is a very slow process and the cells can generate a lot of heat in the early stages of desulfation. It is also very rewarding when you begin to see signs of life in the battery or cell.

The pulse frequency is a minimum of 1 kilohertz for good effect, and some operate as high as 10 KHz or thereabouts.

Some circuits employ capacitive discharge (approximately 50 volts) with a drive pulse to the MOSFet of about 1 microsecond.

The circuits which employ inductive discharge will drive an inductor of 100 microhenries to about 500 microhenries with a pulse to the gate of the MOSFet of from 10 to 40 microseconds. If one has a scope available it is possible to "tune" the circuit for best output just short of inductor saturation by adjusting the pulse width while observing the pulse amplitude.

Without a scope a simple peak voltage detector (diode and capacitor) is used with a voltmeter to monitor the output pulse amplitude for adjustment.

Search the web for further info and details - you'll find quite a lot.

Once you get started with desulfation you'll have a good "new hobby" to keep you busy!

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2007-06-15T15:54:17-04:00 2007-06-15T15:54:17-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=13838#p13838 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by mael — Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:54 pm


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2006-08-17T19:24:21-04:00 2006-08-17T19:24:21-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=8399#p8399 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]>

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2006-07-09T00:52:06-04:00 2006-07-09T00:52:06-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=7407#p7407 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by Terry — Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:52 am


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2006-04-28T20:08:23-04:00 2006-04-28T20:08:23-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5936#p5936 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]>
Just when I had steeled myself up to using a 555 you go and tell me I'm going to need an"LM317T."

Now what's that when it's at home? OK! It's a voltage regulator, but the nearest place I could buy one is hundreds of kilometers away over a very deep bit of water.

So I'm going to have to scrounge one from somewhere and somehow recognize that it's the component I'm after.

Can anyone advise me how to find an LM317T amongst the scrap? ie... tell me where to look and what will work satisfactorily if the same one can not be easily procured.

*** I was just getting the 'fight or flight' syndrome about rigging up a 555 - started to get a sweat as well! But then the fearsome thought of working with ICs was cooled suddenly. - Maybe I can find something amongst the great electrical shops' dumps around here?

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2006-04-28T14:26:25-04:00 2006-04-28T14:26:25-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5934#p5934 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects ... index.html note for 230vac mains

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2006-04-28T12:46:47-04:00 2006-04-28T12:46:47-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5931#p5931 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]>
I have a circuit that I built to rejuvinate batteries but it's not something I have tested enough to know whether or not it's really working. I did successfully "fix" a huge 12v "valve" type industrial gel battery. Very expensive battery.

It was only reading 10v or so and nothing was working so I built this curcuit after looking it up online. It is only 2 components and it DID fix my big battery. It failed to fix several others though. I'm not sure if they were just too far gone or what?

At any rate this circuit will cause a voltage rise in the battery to some very scary points so USE WITH CAUTION!!! I actually got a small 12v gell cell to POP because I suspect I ignited the hydrogen gas that was being given off from electrolysis. It blew the little rubber stoppers out under the sealed lid.

Anyway you can actually hear it "cooking" off the crystals and if you have an analog V meter, you can see the needle moving up and down as it is doing its job.

This circuit can charge any voltage battery. I would be interested in hearing thought on how good or bad this type of charger is to use? I always put it on a timer so I don't kill my batteries when using it.

You need to use a non-polarized capaciter in this circuit and the larger the cap the more current you deliver to the battery being recharged.

~ ------<cap>----<FWBR>------ ~

Sorry for the ANSI art ...bad art at that. I'm at work now and will scan the document with better descriptions at home.

The FWBR (Full Wave Bridge Rectifier) is your source to charge your battery. The + from the FWBR goes to the + on your battery and the (-) goes to your negative on your battery.

Try it for brief periods of time when starting. Put your volt meter in parallel with the battery.

I'll put a much better diagram on later today. Please let me know if you have played with this simple circuit before and what your thoughts on it are.

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2006-04-28T11:40:34-04:00 2006-04-28T11:40:34-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5927#p5927 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by brian — Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:40 am


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2006-04-28T08:50:37-04:00 2006-04-28T08:50:37-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5924#p5924 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]>
Would you please indicate the pulse-with, and the voltages/currents necessary in a specific instance?

* I can charge a lead/acid battery at 20 Amps and the same one can be charged with 1 Amp. At least they both seem to reach the same conclusion.

Is there any optimum voltage/current to charge a battery? I ask as I am wondering if it is a waste to charge at a high current if it means a lot of the energy is wasted in (unwanted) heat?

* And getting a bit off topic; alkaline batteries - the small penlight sizes and thereabouts:-

Isn't the way to charge them to be very gentle and let the heat determine the degree of charge at any given point? ie... if it starts getting warm then reduce the charge so as to maintain a constant temperature, and when the temperature increases whenever any significant charge is attempted - then the battery is as good as it is going to get?

I'm just curious about that. - I replaced an alkaline battery in one of my wall clocks and I remember hearing about how they can be charged under certain conditions with certain manufacturers.

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2006-04-27T20:05:09-04:00 2006-04-27T20:05:09-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5919#p5919 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by Bob Boyce — Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:05 pm


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2006-04-27T11:19:02-04:00 2006-04-27T11:19:02-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5912#p5912 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by brian — Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:19 am


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2006-04-27T06:59:15-04:00 2006-04-27T06:59:15-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5908#p5908 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by mael — Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:59 am


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2006-04-27T06:53:39-04:00 2006-04-27T06:53:39-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=691&p=5907#p5907 <![CDATA[Lead acid batteries. A novice embarrasses himself.]]> Statistics: Posted by mael — Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:53 am


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