I am very open about energy sources and theories explaining them...my partner is a natropath and I have a reasonable understanding of Para pyschology.
I finance people out of my own Pocket Thrival..and I expect nothing in return. I sold my farm and trade the money markets to fund my own research and help others.
I am however in contact with many money people who when the time comes want to support any project that supports the enviroment. They may want to see a profit..but I dont see why making a profit has to be mutually exclusive to the enviroment.
I try not mix religion with my science. My daughter goes to a very strict catholic college, many my friends are buddist and everything else you can think of. I have my own beliefs.
With the Joe cells I am a pragmatist. How do you determine positive and negative energy?. I have some abilities that cant be explained..and they do benefit others so I would say I am positive.
Joe has never sought to profit from Joe cells in recent times...but some people very close to him have. However at presnt no one has a cell working 100% available for validation.
What i like about Bob is i believe his theories and experiments are reproducable. the only way I can move forward is to get my hands dirty and build up the skills and knowledge for myself with some guidance.
I also believe in many others such as Glenn, Bob, Alaska star, Chris, Kevin and many more.
I hope that answered you with my views..I wont discuss joe cells again and wish you the best if you head that direction.
Kind Regards
Mark
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It's possible, but Joe said fresh distilled water charged right up in cells
that had been previously 'conditioned' (probably meaning strong
polarizations established in the metal.) There's a difference between
running the cell "shandy" (making gas and sucking into the manifold) and
running to a blind plug, which Joe says is the way he does it, and doesn't
need to make bubbles. Bubbles would presume a need for charge carriers,
whereas using distilled water suggests a dielectric, running off just the
stored charge in the water, leaking off the cell.
Bob--
I know Gray called it "splitting the positive," using disruptive capacitor
discharges across a quenched spark gap, to extract the cold electricity.
Tesla was exploding pieces of wire until he dialed down the current.
That's why I think radiant energy and capacitive emissions, from a wire
or off the top of a tesla tower, are just different degrees of the same
thing. From newspaper articles, Gray was handling and lighting bulbs
underwater. If cold electricity has the capacity to kill, then he obviously
wasn't working with the kind of amps you're suggesting. How would a
person know what they have? Can this cold current be measured using
standard instruments? I'm sure everyone would be fascinated to see your
radiant energy collector. Is the current coming off of them 'cold' or like
normal electricity? Can this stuff be stored in batteries to keep it's
cold characteristics? I'll bet not.
Hey! Have you ever tried extractingcold electricity from your stainless cell plates, while you were making H2?
Attracts lightening. That would make sense. I think slow motion
photography has shown charges rising from the ground, and coming
down from the sky, meeting somewhere in the middle, to connect and
create the lightening bolt, but I could be wrong. I just think it's probably
something really simple we're overlooking. Have to rummage through
my box of past lives, the one marked AtlantisU.
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When it is attracted to living cells, some call this orgone energy, or an aura. The exact blend of the 3 forms around any person is what determines how that individuals energy field interacts with the energy fields of others, or interacts with any experiment that affects or is affected by these forms of this energy. This is why some people have an energy field that can stop a Joe Cell from working, and some do not.
When it is attracted to a polar charge, such as a battery, a charged capacitor, or a static electricity potential gradient, some call it zero point energy.
And when it is intentionally manipulated with strong electrical/magnetic impulses within a coil or conductor, in such a way that it echos pulses back, which in turn induce "cold electricity" to flow in that conductor, some call it radiant or cosmic energy.
So it just depends on how you manipulate the affecting forces as to how it behaves in return. The normal state is in balance, and there is no net energy flow. If you can create a controlled imbalance, then you can tap into that energy. If you cannot control the imbalance, then there can be an avalance of energy flow, which also induces an electrical discharge. In a sense, you create a discharge like lightning. I have repeatedly destroyed power transistors in an test apparatis, after the startup power was removed, attempting to obtain a controlled flow of this "cold electricity" that was being directed to a DC motor. Extreme care must be taken when experimenting with this stuff, as these energy avalanches can be fatal. Careless manipulation of these forms of energy have been known to attract lightning.
Someone please remind me if I forget, I will try to remember to post a picture of my Tesla radiant energy collector coil to my project folder.
Bob
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Yes I've read about orgone on the Joe Cell groups, and a book by Reich,
but i guess I just don't buy the explanation. I really think he was simply
describing static electricity. His cloud-busters just pulled the sky charges
down and grounded them to flowing water, kinda like lightening rods.
Sure water particles will levitate if they get the same charge as the earth
along with dust particles. Schauburger pulled some kind of diamagnetic
charge into his vortical pipes that were reported to levitate, and he got
some kind of cold electricity from them, as Joe claims to've pulled off from
upper tubes of his charged cells. I think this cold electricity is a static
electricity phenomenon. Tesla and Gray produced it too, by other
methods. I think 'orgone' draws too much mysticism into the brew; could
be true, but not necessary to explain a device. An orgone accumulator
could just be an ambient, concentric capacitor, drawing in static from
higher outer potential, to the lower potential center, and polarizing the
layers it passes through. And i think the reliability of the J-Cell might be
improved by trying a better dielectric than water.
MarkinAustralia:
Full-time energy researcher who (financially) supports others? Oh Yeah?
Send me an email with all the juicy details, who your backers are, what
they look for and what they expect. <thrival at graffiti dot net>
Tongue-in-cheek;
maybe you put out the negative Y' factor kindof energy that prevents cells from working? Seriously, Bearden says
our brains are bi-hemishere, bicameral interferometers that can
literally send energy to or remove energy from a place or person.
Anyone with even the most callous sensitivity can feel this "empowering"
or "disempowering" effect from certain people. Jesus said he couldn't
heal people in certain towns because their hearts were hard. Not too
often "God" admits he "can't" do something.
I've yet to review all the Joe Cell vids but they're pretty damn interesting.
I still don't see any financial gain Joe is trying to obtain, or reason to
mislead. I think there are probably much better ways to charge water,
even to the point of levitation (per Schauburger.) Only people willing to
consider something as possible, and who persist, get anywhere. Scoffers
really can be literal dead weight, if their energy is heavier than we hope
to achieve. Maybe the solution is to "lighten up." That's where all this
terrorism talk really is a crime against aspiring human spirits, a downer,
as it were; to ascend, be positive., etc., etc.,
If energy isn't free, then man can never be. (a thrivalism)
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I will not dispute your theories and ideas.
But I have had a lot of in person, hands on and whatever experience with many of these so called joe cell people in Australia.
You here about the MIB...well I have been threatened legally and in other ways by Joe cell enthusists. Talk about hypocracy. Joe and many of his other so called experts all still buy fule for thier cars, do not have functioning joe cells and at this point of time there is not one Joe Cell inexistance today that opperate an engine 100%
I have met people who claim they have improved performance(slightly) with Joe cells but none will have their vehicles tested.
i also have had emails from dozens of people who failed to get any results from Joe cells over many years.
many of the claims Joe has made I have taken to people with the knowhow to set up experiments and not one has held up so far. this especially applies to car electronics.
levetating vehicles???engines made by mitsubishi that wont stop (PS I know in person some of the Mistibushi lead technitions who worked in Australia)
i could publish a book of the lies,deciet and many other things I have seen in person...and could debunk everything said point by point. I choose not to as I have a young family and dont wont to expose them to any threats.
Have a look at there latest ramblings...from curing everthing to religious implications.
The Joe cell group acts as a cult and if you question its teachings, or leaders you are branded a heritic.
Do i discourage joe cell research...no not at all...however i feel bad when people spend money they can ill afford in many cases without having a balanced argument to make their descion on.
yes I am on my soap box...but I am a full time energy resaercher, I fiscal support other researchers and have offered to do so to many others with no obligation...but I do take exception to people being misled.
people ask why do these people continue as they recieve no money. Firstly ego...secondly you can by a built joe cell in a certain country town near where I live for $1500 (cash of course) from some of these very people.
Many of you know the respect I have for you.....however when it comes to Joe cells keep me well clear.
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I have build some joe cells of various configurations. I started over a year ago now. I'll tell you now that I never got an engine running on it...yet.
Originally I did the stainless steel route with the tubes and all. I tried a variety of waters but only got to a 'very leaky' stage 3 cell. I would get all of the action happening with the bubbles etc. but within a day or so the cell would just "go flat" I couldn't figure out why although I only used 304 stainless so perhaps that could be the problem. Alls I could do is take the cell apart and start over again. Same thing would happen where I would get a good reaction happening right a way bubble-wise but would soon fade away in a day or so. I tried lots of water but my tap water was the best- how about that?
Well, I parked the cell for a while. Some months later while I was working on some earth batteries and was testing some different metal combinations when I tried some in tube configurations. I noted while having an aluminum pipe connected to negative an a stainless outer tube connected to positive that a lot if "joe cell" type of bubble action was happening. I explored this further and could repeat this over and over and get great bubble action like what we'd be looking for in a joe cell. Not sure what I created by accident but from what I could see, I'd say that orgone loves aluminum! So again I had a inner metal tube of aluminum connected to ground and an outer tube of stainless connected to the positve. At very low volts like even just say about 4 voltsDC and current in the milliamps like 0.150 I would get tremendous bubble action like demonstrated on the videos of the various joe cells. The bubbles would hang around for days without having to recharge the cell. Anyways the cell itself was a battery which produced over a 1 volt continuous charge.
Problem encountered - I had two or three and even four on the go in the room where I work and slept. I got quite sick actually where I normally am a very robust, healthy type of fellow that never even gets hardly a sniffle of a cold. I had strange symptoms like cold sweats and hot prickly feeling on my face. I dismantled the cells and went away for 3 days where I quickly recovered again. I returned and activated the cells again where I once again became sick with the weird cold like symptoms and a rash on my face and neck.
So I've dismantled them for the time being to work on other projects and once again I feel healthy as I normally do. Never did even try to hook them up to an IC engine. I don't know if there is anything that can really connect my weird reactions and the joe cells I tried to build but then you never know.
What I wanted to say though was to those who are having difficulty with water and whatnot and just not getting the bubble reaction you'd hope for, just give a small try to having an aluminum negatve tube and see what happens. It gets really gunky quite quick but I just filter that out with coffee filters and just keep reusing the water. It seems to make "alum" or some such thing that floats around in the water if you leave the charge on more than what is required but it doens't seem to effect the cell negatively regarding bubble action.
Of note is that the father of Orgone, Reich did build his orgone accumulators using aluminum as one of the construction materials.
just wanted to relate my experiences with this unusual contraption. Of course getting sick and having heaps of weird bubbles doesn't prove that I actually had an orgone generator. Just wanted to relate my experiences messing about with this unusual cell.
All The Best and happy experimenting!
Statistics: Posted by zendog — Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:08 pm
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I spoke with oil cooler makers today, they advised against using
oil as a coolant in the radiator. It doesn't cool nearly as well as
water, engine would tend to overheat. Of course this only matters
during the change-over from petrol to static power.
Another problem is where to add the charge into the fluid stream.
Joe didn't have much good to say about doing it at the water pump,
but until a person tries, one can never really know.
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I may need to stand corrected on some points above, and your idea of HV and oil
may have considerable merit. See: http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/VDG/vdgpat.html
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