hydrogen peroxide 3% and potassium hydroxide electrolyte

[resident_genius]

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to give you a good idea, this is the lid of the box and the cell itself, i can take off the four bolts and simply remove the whole deal.

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okay, i'm going to the 102.9 freedom rocks concert, but managed to upload the H202 + KOH video before leaving. here ya go.

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...and here is the video of the distilled water + KOH solution, which shows the negative terminal making the most, positive making a smaller amount, and the neutral plates making a small amount as well. the same cell, with H2O2 and KOH, has probably triple the output total, and every plate has equal reaction.... i'm wondering why this is, why would it react so much differently?

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Chem:

You are correct, as I stated, I was at a horse show and was working the gate for the barrel racing.... and reading the forum and attempting to respond.

As to why the H2O2 was producing much more evenly, I would guess because they components are in even proportions rather than 2:1 as with regular water.

Also consider, that hydrogen peroxide is the second highest rated oxidizer and is used with sulfuric acid to etch PCBs... and is also used as both a monopropellent and also as part of a bipropellent in rocket motors. Mixing it with the potasium hydroxide could have been causing some chemical reaction resulting in the excess gas as well.

I think more likely, it is becuase it was being broken down readily into the H2 and O2 faster than the water. In water, you have 2 hydrogen bonds per oxygen, but in H2O2, you only have one Hydrogen bond per Oxygen, which should be much easier to break.

You can get a 15% H2O2 solution from hair bleaching kits from Walmart as well. Other grades of H2O2 are available, but be aware that at concentrations greater than 70% this stuff can explode on its own if it encounters too much pressure. Do a google search on it and read the Wiki on it thoroughly... this stuff in high concentrations is pretty serious material...

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i can buy a gallon of 35% H202 from a local hydroponics store, food grade at that, only like $11.00

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WOW.... I would like tofind me some of that or som 50 percent solution. Possibly higher if it is price effective to see how it will mix with rubbing alcohol for use in the bubbler. My thought is that some of both alcohol and peroxide will vaporize and be carried to the engine with the Hydroxy gas. since a single cell will not produce enough hydroxy to run the engine on 50 percent gasoline, I am hopeful that these additives will be cheap enough and effective enough to allow me to double my total miles per tank.

I think that the key to getting this effect will be a long narrow bubbler tube ... thinking that th farther the bubbles have totravel through the mixture the greater the liklihood of picking up thdesired vapors.

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my thing is that im wondering why this wasnt experimnted with more.... or was it? after all, we are tearing water apart, and if the molecules are bonded H+O+H+O instead of H+O+H, and the chemical bond is weaker in hydrogen peroxide ( am i correct so far?)., then it will take less energy to separate the chemicals into H and O.

the way i under stood hydrogen peroxide was basically a standard "mickey mouse" style H+O+H bond, two smaller hydrogen molecules and a larger oxygen molecule, with another oxygen molecule sorta dangling off of the main oxygen molecule. when H2O2 encounters bacteria or virus what whathaveyou- it releases the unstable single oxygen molecule, and since malicious bacteria cannot exist in an oxygen rich environment, they immediately die. this lead me to beleive the second oxygen molecule had a very weak chemical bond.

have we stumbled onto another unexplored region of electrolysers?

here is the hydroponics store i purchased the H2O2 from:

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resident_genius did the neg plates release more bubbles with this mix, or
the same as the distilled water & KOH ? Meaning was there an increase in
Hydrogen bubbles or just a more noticable Oxygen output ? Reason why
I'm asking, is because I'd like to run parrallel wired with +--+--+--+
This is 6 negs for H & only 4 pos for O. Cheers !

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please watch the videos closely.... i know the links that i provided show grainy video, but in the bottom right hand corner resize it so its clearer. i am using one positive and one negative plate, and 9 or 10 neutral plates that i've somewhat electrically isolated with glue and plexiglass.

to answer your question- all the plates gave off equal bubbles of equal sizes. it was strange, not at all what i expected, especially since there is supposed to be lots of places for current to leak in this cell design. i'm stumped.

here are some more pics of the electrolyser cell stack:








and finally, a picture of the H2O2 + KOH solution mid-reaction?:

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resident_genius it would be interesting to see the results if you wire it up
+ n n n n - n n n n + You could slide 2 flat straps up the middle of your
cell to pickup the 4 nylon rods. Only need to earth 1 of the 2 straps.
Thanks for posting your home brew electrolyte testing btw. Apreciated *
Cheers !

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