Low energy Input, mass hydrogen output methods in use.

[Bob Boyce]

[spencyg]

[Loster]

[AlaskaStar]

I would suggest moving on, and to ignore the rather rude comments made by myself, as well as Loster. I apologize for being a HUMAN. Emotions intact, and fully functioning.


I start by recovering the metals out of the Sulfate Crystals. to accomplish this one must balance the Chemical imbalance using another chemical. The goal here is to have residue that is NOT TOXIC, and GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT in the CASE OF SPILLAGE.

So I use compounds containing Nitrogen. This balances the Equation, my metals drop, and I also get more Hydrogen.

The color will vary in the first stage.

Fe 1=Blue
Fe 2=Green
Fe 3=Purple

ZnSO4 is WHITE.

NSO4 is WHITE.

All metallic salts must be DRY prior to processing in the metallic extraction stage. Use your imagination and creativity here. My methods are not the "best" for use. I choose not to disclose these methods. They are potentially HAZARDOUS for those ill equipped to handle the direct results.

I think I have answered the most immediate questions.

[H2-Paul]

Nice information, this process would need to be automated for commercial use. I would like to know if that is possible OR is it just too complicated and time consuming to be practical for day-to-day use....

[AlaskaStar]

H2-Paul:

This process is best utilized in a COMMERCIAL PLANT, and it too time consuming for the average tinkerer to play with every week/ day.
Bio-Diesel doesn't even consume that much time out of a person's day/ week.

So commercial is the best setup in this case. Then the infrastructure supposedly becomes the issue here, and the logistics are biased in the number toward oil. if the number were re-worked to account for the ever ballooning price of oil, and the fact that as the oil gets harder to come by, the more viable and logistics are no longer an issue in this case. If this becomes more viable than petroleum related products, then why would they try to stop the technology? because they are too dumb to see that if they invest in the next energy wave, they will make out with more money than they ever did in OIL. Blind Leading the Deaf. and in some cases: VISUALLY DEAF.

AlaskaStar

[viper1968]

Ok,
After studying this thread and all of the hints and research of others, am I right that what AlaskaStar is doing is putting a galvanized steel/mesh screen in dilute sulfuric acid? This is creating hydrogen. Is that part correct?

[viper1968]

The zinc is eaten off of the steel mesh, does this become zinc sulfate? After the sulfuric acid eats off the zinc and gets to the metal (iron), does that then also create hydrogen, and the iron becomes iron sulfate?

[AlaskaStar]

Whoever said it was Diluted?

AlaskaStar

[viper1968]

Hey,

Thanks for the reply!! Uh, no one apparently....100% sulfuric acid then? Am I on the right track? Gregg

[AlaskaStar]

I would definitely NOT recommend being anywhere near 100% Sulfuric without PROPER PORTABLE RESPIRATOR FOR FRESH OXYGEN. 96% is expensive, and diluted (in my mind is: LESS THAN 30% Acid for the mix with water) is too weak. We are NOT transferring WATER in this stage, only breaking down the H2SO4 to it's components. Balancing the equation is where the metals come from.

Balancing out the metals to recover the metals is where the nitrogen comes from. removing the nitrogen and replacing with hydrogen....that's up to you to learn. I'm not yet ready to share that part.

People get too confused as it is.

AlaskaStar

[viper1968]

Fantastic, then to experiment with sulfuric acid somewhere above 70% (but, I take it, not higher than 96%). So, the first stage of the process, I think I understand (chemistry is not my thing, but I'm learning).

Second part, you say, 'Balancing out the metals to recover the metals is where the nitrogen comes from'. So, to me that means we're adding nitrogen to the solution to, change iron sulfate and zinc sulfate back to their respective metals -- not getting this, but I'll do some more research. Would that 'replate' the zinc on the iron or not?

'removing the nitrogen and replacing with hydrogen....' - I'll tackle this once I've got a handle on stage 2. Thanks, Gregg

[viper1968]

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