Hydrogen powered furnace???
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Hydrogen powered furnace???
by zipster » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:03 pm
Hello all. I am new to this forum, and I like you ideas. Has anyone thought to try to use hydrogen/oxygen to heat their house? Natural gas is going up and we cannot control it.
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by thrival » Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:25 pm
Here's how I would do it (not with hydrogen tho.) See US Patent#
3,791,349. It's a device that creates steam from just rotational motion,
no applied heat. Certain Battell tests showed overunity. Carl Schaeffer
is deceased, his company defunct, patent expired, public domain/up for
grabs.
Basically his is just a series of plates turning in a water filled casement.
The plates are attached to a shaft and a prime mover (electric motor.)
The plates have tortuous chambers cut in that fill with water from the
pressurized casement. When the motor runs, water between the plates
is hurled outward via centrifugal forces, but the only passage for escape
is inward, thru a central exit. The competing forces create what Schaeffer
called an artificial water hammer effect that "shocks" the water into
super-hot steam.
It's very simple way to feed hot-water pipes/radiators, replaces boilers,
controlled by a thermostatic cut-off switch to the motor. 2 Prototypes
using a total of 6 HP kept a 3 bedroom Denver home (with basement)
toasty warm, according to an old article I have.
I studied his design and came up with an improvement to greatly increase
efficiency using a well known hydraulic principle. Patentable, but why
bother. What peeves me is this guy's patent dates back when Chicago
was still an industrial hub-bub. Did US CEO's really need to migrate to
China? The number of perfectly good patents passed over by US
manufacturers is disgusting. Loster, you need to build that machine
shop and exploit the niche.
3,791,349. It's a device that creates steam from just rotational motion,
no applied heat. Certain Battell tests showed overunity. Carl Schaeffer
is deceased, his company defunct, patent expired, public domain/up for
grabs.
Basically his is just a series of plates turning in a water filled casement.
The plates are attached to a shaft and a prime mover (electric motor.)
The plates have tortuous chambers cut in that fill with water from the
pressurized casement. When the motor runs, water between the plates
is hurled outward via centrifugal forces, but the only passage for escape
is inward, thru a central exit. The competing forces create what Schaeffer
called an artificial water hammer effect that "shocks" the water into
super-hot steam.
It's very simple way to feed hot-water pipes/radiators, replaces boilers,
controlled by a thermostatic cut-off switch to the motor. 2 Prototypes
using a total of 6 HP kept a 3 bedroom Denver home (with basement)
toasty warm, according to an old article I have.
I studied his design and came up with an improvement to greatly increase
efficiency using a well known hydraulic principle. Patentable, but why
bother. What peeves me is this guy's patent dates back when Chicago
was still an industrial hub-bub. Did US CEO's really need to migrate to
China? The number of perfectly good patents passed over by US
manufacturers is disgusting. Loster, you need to build that machine
shop and exploit the niche.
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by thrival » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:07 am
btrautman:
Yes, I read about the hot coke process to split water. Heat is so
inefficient way.
I would agree, but that I don't think Schaeffer's idea is overunity
enough to do much beyond run itself, once it's up to speed.
A more efficient design, maybe. Still not bad to heat your home
or factory.
Yes, I read about the hot coke process to split water. Heat is so
inefficient way.
I would agree, but that I don't think Schaeffer's idea is overunity
enough to do much beyond run itself, once it's up to speed.
A more efficient design, maybe. Still not bad to heat your home
or factory.
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