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OUPower.com Discussion Board for Over Unity Power Research 2010-04-16T06:28:16-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/feed.php?f=1&t=2176 2010-04-16T06:28:16-04:00 2010-04-16T06:28:16-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=25401#p25401 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> Statistics: Posted by Jehu — Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:28 am


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2008-07-30T23:33:47-04:00 2008-07-30T23:33:47-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20676#p20676 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> Statistics: Posted by chemelec — Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:33 pm


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2008-07-30T23:24:43-04:00 2008-07-30T23:24:43-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20674#p20674 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> Statistics: Posted by mrgalleria — Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:24 pm


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2008-07-30T21:21:32-04:00 2008-07-30T21:21:32-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20670#p20670 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> Statistics: Posted by williamssteve — Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:21 pm


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2008-07-30T04:39:18-04:00 2008-07-30T04:39:18-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20650#p20650 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> If you have steam, as some are suggesting, then it should be a simple matter to convert that into plasma- see US Patent 7,384,619 B2, Bar-Gadda, Method for generating hydrogen from water or steam in a plasma. He recommends several different, simple methods to use plasma from voltage (see the plasma cell in my project folder for a simple alternative method). He even tells how to stabilize the gases so that they remain separate. In fact, this looks much more simple than electrolysis.
Also, decomposing water with a catalyst metal (like nickel alloy) can be accomplished at temps starting at 450 degrees. Again, a fairly low temp if exhaust is being used as a heat source. After all, water boils to steam at 212.
Bill

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2008-07-29T21:52:05-04:00 2008-07-29T21:52:05-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20636#p20636 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> Statistics: Posted by williamssteve — Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:52 pm


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2008-07-28T18:07:32-04:00 2008-07-28T18:07:32-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20608#p20608 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]> http://www.propanecarbs.com/propane.html

Here is a link with some interesting data about several fuels including Propane and Gasoline. One of the more interesting is the "Peak Burn Temperature.

I was all prepared to suggest that your backyard grill could not possibly achieve a temperature high enough to perform Thermolysis, but I suppose I would have been WRONG. According to this source, the peak burn temp for propane is 3,614 F or 1,991 C which I think should be sufficient. Though I must admit, I have found conflicting values for the thermolysis temp of water at various places on the internet, so I do not know what the real value is.

Does anyone know the correct temp for water, with some linked references?

I have seen 2500 F and 2500 C... which is a huge difference, so IF its "F" then you could very well have sone just that. But I would say, that this sounds like "water injection" that is already being done.

FlashBang!

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2008-07-27T22:24:32-04:00 2008-07-27T22:24:32-04:00 https://oupower.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2176&p=20590#p20590 <![CDATA[Thermal cracking of water & home power stations]]>
This is a little off topic but worth noting.

A little experiment that I tried just after I had finished making dinner on our outdoors BBQ last night.....

NOTE - DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.
IT IS DANGEROUS. PROCEED COMPLETELY AT YOUR OWN RISK.
THIS INFO FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY.


As we know, water will thermally "crack" into H & O under high temperatures, usually in presence of a metal catalyst like iron oxide ( rust ) or copper or platinum or nickel.

Last night I got my wifes water squirt bottle she uses for the ironing, and gave the BBQ quite a few squirts of tap water in varying water densities ( mists ). I also tried injecting water mist into the gas flow as it entered the burner body. I got some orange flame but not a lot.

Next I tried different levels of misting by adjusting the nozzle. I had limited success. Then I leaned the water mist right off and I must have hit the burner just right and WOOOOOF!!!!!!! - one large orange flame ball about the size of a basket ball.

Proof of concept confirmed.

Now it occurs to me that if you could create a steel coil in the path of enough heat to get to about 1800F ( 900 C ) roughly, water will crack into H & O.

If you pumped water into the coil at one end, attach an expansion cyclinder of 2 inch diameter and 8 inches long the coil feeds into, and have an oulet pipe at the other end of the expansion tube so the H & O can be extracted, you could then feed & burn the H & O into a furnace and produce steam and create a home electricty generation plant using a simple turbine. The expansion tube should allow quenching ( stopping the H & O from recombining ). I thought of using copper tube but no copper solder will hold at 900 C, so maybe steel.

Interesting I thought.

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