kevinsatterfield

adam666 · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: kevinsatterfield

Hows your rubber weather stripping working out?

im guessing it has 1 sticky side as std? any problems getting other side to stick?

where / what is the weather stripping used for normally?

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Adam

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject: k

yep it has a sticky side and its normally used for door trim and things for an auto mobile.The other side doesnt seem to need any sticky cause it's compressed so much it does'nt have much of a choice but to auto seal.I didnt have to use any other kind of silicone or anything and so far it does'nt leak. thanks for asking Very Happy

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: k

Does anyone know if there is a way (in a small hose) to seperate electolyte and clean distilled water in same hose but allowing clean water to pass through into electrolyte?Or will i have to even worry about it.what i'm meanning is if electrolyte is filled through the hoses and over fills into the hose and say its over filled about 2 feet into the hose past the plates will the current stay at the plates or will it decide to run up the hose with electrolyte?

pertyfly · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:

If the hoses are all separate, and the electrolyte doesn't run from one hose to another (not sure of your exact setup so it may or may not be possible) then it will be fine. As long as th current can't pass between cells, it won't go anywhere. If it can't go anywhere then it effectively has infinite resistance, and will go only through the cell. Does this help?

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: k

thanks that helps alot.Im trying to figure out how im gonna get a water in supply from an on board tank.So in theory i can run seperate hoses to a tank and each cell supply must be fitted with its own supply valve?And fill each one seperately?

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: k

I messed up my update 2 nite and dont have time to fix it for now but the last up date is just a couple piks to get an idea of what im trying to do

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: k

the salvaged tubing seems it work just fine.I got off on a couple holes and had air leaking from cell 1 to cell 2 and 5 to 6.The gas manifold has to be drilled perfectly and is kinda hard to due without a good jig.Im gonna go to town tomorrow and get some nylon tubing (if i can find some).the salvaged spray bottle tubbing came in diffrent materials.Some were soft and some were a bit harder.The harder ones were the best to get a good hole in,thats why im gonna go after nylon tubbing.Filling cell 3 was a joy as it had no leaking and drained very well,How ever it was the only cell i tested due to finding air leakage from various other cells.I had drilled a few holes too far off center and allowed air to flow from that cell into the next.Not a big problem but as i said before going the cheap way out often results in more expense.At least i know its gonna work. I was worried about drainning it but it flowed out just as easy as it went in.Figuring a bubbler out was cool too,having 7 hose barbs fitted around the bottom of a 2" pvc pipe with a screw off top.The water supply is gonna be neat being able to fill each cell individually.The main gas supply will be just as neat but with a litlle more jazz.........

Chris · Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:50 am Post subject:

Yeah you're playing with the nightmares that at this time I'm avoiding. Series cells are great in some aspects, but very nasty in others. Filling and current leakage are 2 of the major problems. Another serious issue is the large amount of gas collected at the top. At any one moment during operation you might have 6 x 20 x 1 (120) cubic inches of gas. That's a freegin LOT of gas! Over 1 liter probably Shocked

You only have 7 cells so you won't have nearly that much gas... no big deal for you... just guys who have 80 plates or so.

Oh, one more thing Kevin. Your last project picture is stuck at the end because the name comes last alphabetically. Add a number or something to it to put it in the right spot.
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kevinsatterfield · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject: k

I just about gave up on the manifold im working on but after seeing some results today it does work the way i want it to.It's surprising the amount of water that flows into the hose from each cell when the unit is warmed up.To continue with the same theme i will have to determine the length of hose that the water will fill so that i can aplly a bubbler a safe distance to keep short outs at a minimum.Instead of a seperate bubbler i'm gonna try a seperate"fuel tank" for each cell.This theme will probably require both seperate bubblers and seperate "fuel tanks" for each cell, to allow a gravity feed,in effect each cell will ultimately have 2 primary bubblers which will double as "fuel tanks".Double Bouble may be an appropiate name for it after all.....lol.This is how i'm working out my ideas.Guess it looks like im asking myself questions and then answering them..... Shocked

so looks like i wont have to worry about short outs due to the length of hose from unit to bubbler cuz at both sides of each cell ther sits a bubbler on one side and another on the other side,both acting a "fuel tank" as well.

Does anyone see a problem with this concept?

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: k

Allthough the weather stripping idea didnt leak any water(visably) the bolt holes have proven NOT WORTHY.If anyone is attempting to duplicate this design I have failed in sealing the bolt holes.My wife brought home some feed tube seringes and I had a couple that fit the tubing from the gas manifold and doing small preasure test resulted in leaking air around the bolt holes and after compressing the manifold into the gasket resulted in pushing the gasket below the top bolt holes loosing seal to them.Preasure test resulted in leaking holes at various places from top to bottom.Not all seals failed but enough for me to abbandon this idea.I will persue in dupplicating succeeded designs.

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject: k

Those damn ferroles are still too wide and modifying them is such a pain int ass im just gonna try to silcone around the holes and hope it holds up.I would love to understand Bob's manifold but im not there yet.I done drilled 11/16 holes in my plates so i need to do whatever it takes to use tose holes if anyone has any suggestions.

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: k

Now i have a unit almost completed,finally.lol I have decided to put a gate valve on the water in side and a shut off valve on the gas out side.I'll place the shut off valve just before the gas out to keep from loosing water in the run off tank while filling.I'll place the gate valve just before the pipe enters the unit to keep gas from going up into water supply tank.

Any body have any comments?..................just like to know what everybody thinks of it......please...... Cool

If all goes well i'll have a pump from the run off tank to water fill line and reuse the run off electrolyte. Very Happy

kevinsatterfield · Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:03 pm Post subject:

Just letting everyone know what im doing.............

I have a 7 cell supper effecient electrolyzer built and now testing maintenance requirements.(take'n apart and put'n back together)

Studying ionized water and deciding either to use a pvc pipe type electrolyzer for ionation process and s.e.e. water supply from it.

been working a bit much and havent had time 4 much else this week.

pertyfly · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:30 pm Post subject:

Hey Kevin....I got a question for ya here ...

In case you didn't know, I am keeping track of your project (and anyone else's when I see there's an update). I notice you are doing a bit of Bob's idea with the pipe through your unit with some differences.

Now, I do understand Bob's unit, and the reasons for all of that, and the way it gets gas in and water out and no mixing, etc. However, I'm looking at your unit and trying to figure that out ...

From what I can see in your pics, the newest ones, I see that you have 1 hole in each plate..(?) Of course correct me if I'm wrong with any of this. Going through the holes is your PVC pipe with slits or holes cut in that at the correct spacing for every cell in order to feed water into each cell....

Now, I realize you are using no o-rings at this time except sealing the ends. This I can see being fine for now, but maybe not if you're running pressure in the unit. However, I see no place for the gas to exit, and this is what I'm not getting.

Are you going to use the same pipe for filling and gas outlet? Or do you have other plans? The gasket I see in the pic is sealed all around, so I'm not quite sure what your plans are and would be interested in hearing this.

BTW, it's a pretty clean, and neat design....I like it

Chris